Okay, so like any other evening in the EST timezone, I pondered how to calculate the fuel density of RP-1, ya know, as ya do. But something weird happened. Let me take you through step by step of my process.


First, I grab this screenshot from the latest trailer. It has a weight down at the bottom of 3047kg

Next, I subtract the weight of the Command Pod to get 1797kg for the weight of the fuel tank.
NOTE: I know I didn't take dry mass into account, however it shouldn't mess with the results THIS much

Next, I took pixel measurements from the screenshot to get heights:
Command Pod: 138px
Fuel tank: 129px

I used these to find the ratio between the 2 heights: ~1.069767

From this ratio, I found the fuel tank had a height of ~1.168478m.

Next, I calculated it to have a volume of ~6.48698523m^3 or ~6486985.23mL

Finally, to put it all together to get a density of ~0.2770162 g/mL


Now this by its self doesn't mean much, but things get weird when you compare RP-1 (the in-game rocket fuel name given here) to what I imagine it's real-life counterpart is... RP-1 (really creative :P ). IRL RP-1 has a density of .8-1.2 g/mL! Thats an average increase of 1g/mL difference between the two! The dev team has been pretty consistent to not scaling back weights until this...

I provided my calculations in case I messed up and someone wanted to correct me. PLEASE do so if you can!

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    502 JoshMan

    @mjdfx150529 yeah i screwed up the radius calculations! Thanks so much for adding to the knoledge of the game before it comes out! :)

    +1 5.9 years ago
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    @MyMessage Check out my post:
    https://www.simplerockets.com/Forums/View/1155/Density-of-RP-1-fuel-and-dry-mass-of-fuel-tanks
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    +1 5.9 years ago
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    563 MyMessage

    Yah.... I think I’ll let the smarty pants do all the hard work, I’m not into that kinda math yet.

    5.9 years ago
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    Even more stuff now
    Using RP-1's density as 810kg / m^3
    Time it by the fuel's ideal volume of 1.77m^3 (The value that I got) to get mass of 1434kg
    Subtract that from the fuel tank's total mass of 1797kg to get 363kg as the fuel tank's dry mass.
    However, this is not accurate, since I assumed that all volume in the fuel tank is fuel, which is not true (as we now know that the fuel tank has mass), but it will make for quite a good estimation.
    Now,
    The volume of the tank is 1.77m^3, we divide mass by volume to get the fuel tank's empty density as 205kg / m^3
    However, the mass of the fuel tank should be determined by its surface area, not its volume (since it is a container). So, dividing the mass by the tank's surface area (2 * 0.75^2 * 3.14 + 1.5 * 3.14 * 1.17 = 9m^2) to get mass per surface area as 40kg / m^2
    40 is a much nicer value than 205, so I think that the mass of an empty tank is determined by its surface area, not volume.

    5.9 years ago
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    So...
    Using the height you gave in your post: 1.17m
    The radius of the command pod is 0.75m
    I got a volume of 1.77m^3 (I have no idea how you got such a large number)
    Assuming that all is fuel, density is 1797 / 1.77 = 1186kg / m^3
    Quite close to RP-1's 810kg / m^3

    5.9 years ago
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    You are wrong
    Fuel consumption of Apex 1: 1350L / s
    Specific Impulse of Apex 1: 298s
    Thrust of Apex 1: 3200000N

    gravitational acceleration at surface of planet: 9.81m/s
    We could get exhaust velocity of the engine as 298 * 9.81 = 2923m/s
    Then we could get mass flow rate as 3200000 / 2923 = 1095kg / s
    We divide mass flow rate by fuel flow rate to get density 0.81kg / L, or 810kg / m^3
    Density of RP-1 is 810kg / m^3

    Jundroo did get the density right.
    You might've got the volume wrong then.

    5.9 years ago
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    502 JoshMan

    @Venus thanks :)

    +1 5.9 years ago
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    502 JoshMan

    @MrNarwhal35 haha no problem :)

    5.9 years ago
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    You have too much free time.... although I will gladly take these measurements to figure out my rocket design :)

    5.9 years ago
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    502 JoshMan

    @MrTaco yes. Thanks for the upvotes 😊

    5.9 years ago
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    328 MrTaco

    Must be a rank thing. Only 10 more upvotes till you are blue.@JoshMan

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    502 JoshMan

    @MrTaco I've updated the post with exactly what you gave me to paste in. Result it just '!'

    5.9 years ago
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    502 JoshMan

    @AndrewGarrison ... Am I correct?

    5.9 years ago

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